Finkelstein:
I am not spinning the decision. That is literally what the court ruled. If you want to read the decision I have a copy of it I can send it to you.
Richard Oliver
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Finkelstein:
No the Appeals court reversed that. The Appeals court only found them liable for the assigning of Kendrick with Conti. Read the full decision. The court ruled that Watchtower nor the congregation had a duty to warn or a duty to protect.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Dubstepped:
You are conflating legal and moral things. Morally yes, it should be reported. Legally is a different story. There is privilege that cannot be broken. Legal is about technicalities. Many people here want to join those two things together. That Watchtower should view these acts as a crime and not a sin, and in the same breath say, even if a privilege bars them from reporting it, the moral thing to do is to report it. If you want to say that it is a legal issue then you have to stick with the legal aspect of it. If you want to say it is a moral thing than you have to stick with that.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
So as my specific question is. For the ARC you don't believe that Watchtower should be held financially liable for all those cases?
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
Finkelstein:
Actually, Watchtower has been repeatedly shown that they have no fiduciary responsibility toward members. Also they have been found not to have a duty to warn nor a duty to protect. Most of the time, you cannot be held responsible for not doing something. If I am a layman person and I am on the side of the street and someone stops breathing and I do nothing, I cannot be held liable for not jumping in and attempting to do CPR. Following the appeal in the Conti case, Watchtower was only held liable for their actual action of assigning Conti to work with Kendrick in service not for any action that they did not do.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
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182
The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
My question is do you think that Watchtower should be liable for the actions of a third party's illegal actions just because they are an associate of a congregation?
And I do believe that if Elders don't report due to a good faith belief that they are barred from doing so under the clergy-penitent privilege then they should not be held liable.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
My problem with many of these comments is that, you believe that Watchtower should pay no matter what if a member abuses a child. Let's go with this scenario, a man abuses 3 children, it does not come to the Elders attention that he has abused anyone until that third child was abused, the elders report the man to the police. Should Watchtower be financially responsible for the criminal act of that man against those three children or just to the last two children? How is it that a third party should be held responsible for the illegal actions of someone else. If you have a child and they are an adult and they commit a crime, are you financially responsible for your child's illegal actions? Should their victims come after you because your son is associated with you? If I am a member of the Kawana's club and I go and rob someone are the Kawana's club responsible for my actions because I am a member? Of course not, because they have no control of my actions when I am not with them and even when I am with them, they are not liable for everything that I do.
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182
The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Orphan Crow:
I do accept your concern about Witnesses preaching to convicted child abusers, but even though these individuals have done horrible stuff they are still humans and have to live a life following their release. These individuals are going to be released for the most part at one point or another, if we like it or not. Prison is supposed to rehabilitate people that is why they are called correctional institutions, it is not supposed to punish people beyond getting people to become rehabilitated But you are right, unfortunately, not everyone who serves their full prison sentences are rehabilitated nor is it possible for some people to ever be rehabilitated, but they are still released from prison. It happens all the time, when correction officials inform a community that a dangerous offender is going to be released, and people go out there and protest the release, but time and time again officials say that they have no choice, the person fulfilled their sentence and has to be released. But what is my point here, it is that these people no matter what we think of them personally are still humans and still have rights that must be respected. It is still their choice if they want to become a Witness or not to associate with people that they choose, not where prohibited by law, and to live their life as normally as possible.